"Jcarr" (jcarr)
08/06/2015 at 09:56 • Filed to: Trucks
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"Jcarr" (jcarr)
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> Jcarr
08/06/2015 at 09:58 |
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Yay model bloat!
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Jcarr
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
08/06/2015 at 10:01 |
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No kidding, 1000 lbs on the Silverado!
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> Jcarr
08/06/2015 at 10:02 |
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I don’t get how they determine classification anymore. I remember my early-90s midsized Accord being smaller than mid 2000s compacts and being absolutely dwarfed by mid-2000s midsizeds.
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Jcarr
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
08/06/2015 at 10:05 |
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#inflation
Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
08/06/2015 at 10:07 |
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My 2015 Civic is considerably bigger than my 86 Accord I used to have. Granted, it is thirty years, but it's no damn wonder why they had to introduce the Fit. I say there's still a market for a vehicle below the Fit in the lineup too.
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Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
> Jcarr
08/06/2015 at 10:10 |
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That’s ridiculous, but honestly it’s not surprising.
I still don't get WHY there aren't any small trucks. Look at the supposed MPG the S10 gets. With stricter CAFE standards, you would think automakers would want to have an efficient small pickup in their lineup so they can bump up the average across the fleet.
Nobi
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
08/06/2015 at 10:29 |
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It’s some BS about wheelbase. Something like “if it’s within A and B, it’s a subcompact. If it’s between B and C, it’s a compact” and so on.
georgechristensen
> Jcarr
08/06/2015 at 10:34 |
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pigfat bloat at its finest
jariten1781
> Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
08/06/2015 at 10:36 |
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I still don’t get WHY there aren’t any small trucks.
Low sales. Cost nearly the same as full sizers (especially with rebates on the hood).
Plus, it’s even worse now...the small commercial market all switched over to the city vans (Transit Connect, City Express, etc.) so there’s even less of a case now to reintroduce them. Better chance of a ‘lifestyle’ unibody ute being a success than a workhorse small truck today.
Textured Soy Protein
> Nobi
08/06/2015 at 10:36 |
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The EPA size classifications are based on interior volume, actually.
Many of what we consider compact cars from back in the day were officially subcompacts, and many of what we call midsize nowadays are officially are officially full size.
VincentMalamute-Kim
> Jcarr
08/06/2015 at 10:45 |
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Talking about bloat - the 1990 C/K isn’t that much heavier than my 2000 Audi S4 (3600 lbs).
MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> Jcarr
08/06/2015 at 10:47 |
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Fuck this chart and everyones weight comments. I get it’s fascinating to compare but come on people about the weight.
Yes the colorado weighs as much as a 1990 C/K Pickup. Have you ever been in one of those vs a modern car?
Airbags have weight. Safety cages and doors that are more sturdy have weight. That nice 7 inch touch screen people want for some strange reason has weight.
Best EPA rating includes 27 mpg hwy for the new truck too. How is that left off of this chart? So it added 1300 pounds, doubled the horsepower and gets the same mileage. That seems impressive not like a negative to me.
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Jcarr
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
08/06/2015 at 10:49 |
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Good points. My interest in looking this up was mostly to see how the new Colorado compares to an old Silverado in terms of dimensions.
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Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
> jariten1781
08/06/2015 at 11:05 |
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But, who’s fault is the low sales? Think about the small trucks that were on the market. What R&D/Development did they honestly put into them? Almost nothing. Maybe the reason that people weren’t buying them is because they sucked?
Maybe you’re right though. I do see a lot of businesses move to the smaller vans, and for good reason. They’re more efficient than a full size pickup. I’m still convinced that there is a market for a small pickup though. But since I don't have the ear of an automaker it doesn't matter what I think.
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Nobi
> Textured Soy Protein
08/06/2015 at 11:13 |
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I knew it was something ridiculous like that. I’m waiting for some automaker to make a vehicle with no interior room, but the footprint of a Crown Vic to take advantage of some kind of EPA loophole by calling it a subcompact.
*glares at the Gen 5 Camaro*
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> Jcarr
08/06/2015 at 11:23 |
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Yeah I kinda got a bit worked up there, but it’s mainly because everyone is calling it a pig for it’s weight gain.
IT’s still roughly half a foot shorter and skinner as well as 17 inches short in length (16 inch smaller wheelbase).
So it may not be a tiny truck, but, it’s significantly smaller than the silverado.
Urambo Tauro
> Jcarr
08/06/2015 at 11:24 |
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This chart needs tow capacity and payload ratings.
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jariten1781
> Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
08/06/2015 at 11:34 |
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Yeah, but small trucks are kind of forced into being crap. Otherwise you’re going to end up within 5% cost of a large truck and most people will just eat the difference to have the bigger vehicle.
They used to pull a segment of people that wanted utility plus decent mileage/parking dimensions. Those folks buy CUVs now. They used to rule the small commercial market. Those folks buy City Vans now. Really, the only thing left are people with dimension constraints that need an open bed (small gravel operation, some types of landscapers) and ‘lifestyle’ types.
I happen to be in the ‘lifestyle’ category. I’d love a small truck that I could chuck a load of fill dirt in, help someone move with occasionally, etc. but still easilly fit in a city parking garage. However, I can’t help but recognize the previously small market has shrunk to near non-existence. I’ve actually been seriously considering picking up a used Transit Connect Wagon and a small utility trailer, kinda meets or beats 90% of small truck use cases plus can seat up to 7 folks which no small truck will ever do.
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Urambo Tauro
> Urambo Tauro
08/06/2015 at 11:47 |
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It’s hard to find specs on the older trucks, but I found
this forum post from 2009
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I looked at Edmunds.com and for a 1990 (the oldest they show) for a XC LB 4WD the GVW is 6200 (this agrees with your info) and the max payload is 1595 (assuming a 4.3L v6 in the truck.
1991 C/K tow limits via Trailer Life :
(4.3 V6) 4000
(5.0 V8) 6000
(5.7 V8) 7500
(6.2 V8) Diesel 6000
(7.4 V8) 6000
Colorado specs from Chevrolet.com :
With the available trailering package, this small truck is rated to tow up to 7,000 lbs. — delivering all the power you need to tow your adventure gear.
The 305-horsepower engine produces 269 lb.-ft. of torque, allowing Colorado to carry 1,590 lbs.
unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins)
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
08/06/2015 at 12:30 |
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Don’t forget about the new chassis tech they use. Now they’re mostly hydro formed sections or entirely hydo formed.
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Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
> jariten1781
08/06/2015 at 12:41 |
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The Transit Connect is a fantastic vehicle. It's just my wife and I and I SERIOUSLY considered that when I ended up purchasing my Civic. They're so damn useful. And if you never have more than one passenger, you can just take out the other seats.
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jariten1781
> Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
08/06/2015 at 12:56 |
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Only thing holding me back is that there’s no 3 pedal version. Haven’t owned an auto in more than a decade and I just hate every second of driving them when I get them as rentals. With the market going the way it is, I suppose I’ll have to get over that at some point.
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Textured Soy Protein
> Nobi
08/06/2015 at 14:09 |
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This post has you covered.
typhoon5000
> Jcarr
08/07/2015 at 13:08 |
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Now that shows progress over 25 years. Over double the power and over 60 more torques with the same size engine!
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typhoon5000
> Jcarr
08/07/2015 at 13:10 |
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No 6.2L?
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Jcarr
> typhoon5000
08/07/2015 at 14:00 |
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I guess they didn't see fit to include it.